Thursday, March 10, 2011

The Three Day Rule


Dear Hoops,

This guy and I met online on a dating site. We emailed back and forth for a few weeks, not super consistently. Finally I gave him my # and said I was going out that night if he wanted to meet up. He text me and we ended up hanging out at his house (outside as I made it clear no sex). We decided to have a make out session but first we talked for like two hours straight. He told me about his family, his job, his past girlfriend. We got along really well. He was super sweet about the kissing, never tried to feel me up or anything, didn't cram his tongue down my throat or anything.

He walked me to my car when I left and kissed me goodbye. I text him a hey the next day and jokingly said so when's round two. He said I'm not sure but I will totally let you know.  The make out happened Friday, I text him Sat. afternoon. Then Monday I emailed him (didn't save his #) and asked if he wanted to go have drinks Wed. No reply. Why the blow off? One friend said I was a failed booty call another says maybe he is in to me but doesn't want to treat me like a booty call so he might be exploring other options. I have no clue but have decided not to contact him

What gives?

Signed,

Utterly Confused


Dear Confused,

Take a deep breath.  In.  Out.  In.  Out.  In.  Out. (I have to stop this I’m getting horny).  You need to chill the fuck out.  You kissed on Friday.  You sent him a text the very next day which he replied to indicating he would get in touch with you—that he was unsure, but that he’d let you know.  You went through Sunday without hearing from him and by Monday you chose to email him asking him out for drinks.

What’s the view like from his upper intestines?

Look, I’m not a big believer in the 3-day rule for everyone, but some people really need to take it to heart.  You might be one of those people.  Let me put a hypothetical scenario out there for you:

This guy meets up with a girl he met online.  They have a good time.  She’s insistent that nothing sexual is going to happen, but they have a nice time making out and talking.  She leaves and after the makeout session he’s a bit worked up.  He jerks off and goes to bed thinking that the girl was nice, he was attracted to her and might be interested in going out again.  His only problem with her was a) that she seemed a little needy or b) that she was a little pushy, but then again, that might have just been first date nerves or whatever.  He had plans the next few days but he figures he’ll give her a call on Sunday or Monday and ask her out again.

The next day—the VERY NEXT DAY—he gets a text from her asking him out again.  Wow.  Huh.  This really just kind of reinforces his thoughts that she may be a) needy or b) pushy.  His last girlfriend was needy/pushy and he’s not sure he wants to go through that again.  He texts back saying that he’s not sure when he can get together but he’ll let her know.  Surely, she’ll back off a bit now and he can get back to her later in the week now, maybe Wednesday or Thursday.

No such luck.  She emails on Monday.  Really?  Yes.  Really.  This just confirms in his mind that this girl is too needy/pushy.  He can’t deal with a girl who a) is that needy or b) can’t let him be the man and actually ask her out instead of always pushing the issue.  “Fuck it!” he says and chooses not to reply.

That’s how I see this having played out.  I think it was fine that you took initiative and asked him out in the first place, but to have followed up so quickly after the date and asked him when the next date was going to happen gives off a stink of desperation.  When a girl comes off as desperate a guy starts wondering what he might be missing that would make her so desperate?  Suddenly, everything she did and said is magnified and he reads signs that may not have been there an before she knows it, he’s no longer interested.

A man likes to feel like a man and part of that is being the hunter.  I think most men are okay—even happy—to be asked out on a date by a woman, but after that first date, she’s got to give him some space to man up and do some pursuing of his own.  You’ve essentially given him all the power in this relationship after one date, a text and an email.  He knows he’s got you.  You aren’t a challenge of any kind for him.  Sure, he may have to wait a week or two before he gets you horizontal, but he can put that time in with no problem.  You are a fish in a barrel.

What you should have done is made that first text something like, “Thanks for a great night!  I really had a great time!”  Then you should have left it alone.  You asked him on the first date.  Being the one to broach the subject of date number two first was a big mistake and doing so SOOOOO soon and not giving him a chance to do it first was even bigger.  I’m not going to lie to you.  It all goes into that first impression and may have even ruined it.

My advice to you is this:  Wait a few days.  Don’t contact him again until after this weekend.  When you do contact him, do it in a brief email.  Say something like:  Hey, it’s Sunday night and I just realized I hadn’t heard from you after my last email.  Then I realized that I actually texted you the day after our date and then emailed you the day after that and wow…pushy much?  (go with pushy over needy here.  You can do a spin job on pushy to make it an admirable quality, needy is only good for someone with a hero complex) Sorry about that.  I’m just one of those “planner” people and didn’t even realize I was being “that girl” when I sent it.  Anyway, I had a good time last weekend.  I hope you did too!  Then close with an inside joke that has nothing to do with anything.  Use something he said on the date—something he tried to be funny about.  Don’t ask him out.  Don’t bring up another date.  Don’t even hint at it.  The purpose of this email is to let him know that you haven’t thought about him since you sent the email and that when you did think about him and wonder about why he hadn’t replied, you immediately realized that you had been “pushy,” and that you’re sorry for that. 

I can’t promise it’ll work.  He may be frightened away.  He may see enough in what you’ve shown him to remind him of the worst qualities of an ex who he’s not eager to revisit in the form of a new girl with the same issues.  You may have to chalk this one up to a lesson learned the hard way.  Then again…this guy took forever to go out with you the first time.  It took you inviting him out last minute to get him off his ass.  Maybe he’s just really busy in his life right now?  Maybe all you need to do is wait?  Who knows?

One thing is for sure:  The first impression on a date doesn’t end with the goodnight kiss.  What you do in terms of calls/texts/emails/FB posts over the next few days is part of that impression and very important.  What you do can either reinforce or ease any doubts your date had about you.  Specifically, don’t be needy.  Don’t be over-eager.  Be cool.  Be kind.  Be chill.

I hope it all works out for you!

-hoops     

12 comments:

  1. This was so right on and I've copied it and put it directly into an email to my sister who does this very thing on a regular basis and can't figure out why the guy bails all the time. I've told her the problem, my other sister has told her the problem, but maybe she'll listen to Hoops! Once can only hope right?

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  2. Maybe she had really bad breath XD

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  3. LOL! Guys do that too. :S This rule thing for dating is such a GAME!!!

    Case in point: I went for brunch with a guy, he seemed nice and brunch was good, and at the end we did the whole "it was great, lets do it again" thing. 10 minutes later I'm at home and receiving a text message "you're very attractive..what should we do next time?" UHHHHHH, crawl up in my business much!? I deferred him for a week and a bit, and then he outright cancelled on me without explanation leaving me to think "fine, whatever" and leave it in his court. His next move was a couple of weeks later to ask on a Sunday night if I wanted to go for coffee THAT night. I was technically free, but opted for later in the week.. which was good, 'cause then he seemed to get the whole space thing.

    Moral of the story: Be cool, people.

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  4. Dear Hoops,

    This kind of stuff confuses me. Why are there so many rules?! I'm sure I broke a few during this situation. Could you please let me know what I can do for next time that would make this go better?

    I met this guy who taught CPR training and I really liked his sense of humor. So when I happened to find his card about a month later, I thought what the hell and e-mailed him. I asked if he wanted to have coffee with me sometime and he replied back that night saying "Sure, What time is good for you?"

    So I picked a couple days later and I also named a place and asked if that was okay with him. Told him to let me know. He agreed to it. That Monday he emails and cancels because of work meetings. I figured no big deal so I email him back, "Okay Chief. (He's the chief of EMS and I was going for a little humor) Well I have this week off so my schedule is flexible. If you'd like to meet up and have some free time, just let me know."

    Never heard another word from him. And since I was the one doing all the initiating, I figured that was a sign he wasn't interested at all. I never emailed him again and he never emailed me back one way or the other.

    Did I come off as clingy or needy or pushy? I was trying to act cool, but I also know how impatient I am so I'm worried that I push things too fast. Do you have any advice for the next time I have an encounter like this?

    ~Apparently Clueless and Impatient

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  5. Pretty good advice. I think it is hard sometimes to not come off as a little pushy when you enjoyed someone's company and would like nothing better than to spend more time with them. But, it's also important to remember you're not the only person in the other guy's life.

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  6. Ugh, see, I hate dating for this exact reason. I hate all the rules and game playing. BLARGH!

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  7. While I agree with this advice based on the assumption that she wants to continue seeing this guy, I have to question if she really wants to see this guy.

    There are men who like to progress quickly -- a second date very shortly after the first date, several dates per week, etc. There are also women who like to progress slowly -- the three day rule, etc.

    If Confused prefers to move at a faster tempo, perhaps she should stop trying to change herself to fit the guy, and find the guy who matches with her just the way she is.

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  8. I agree with everything you're written in response here...just I'm not sure about that email...

    I would never admit to being pushy OR needy...

    I would agree with waiting like...a week...and then send a brief email just asking him how he's been really casually. Test the waters...and stay away from anything that might indicate that you want to go out with him again. lol

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  9. Hoops thank you SO much, I am Utterly Confused. Needless to say I was given horrible advice. The friend that thought I was a booty call told me if he hadn't text me by that afternoon that I should text him. I'm a firm believer in waiting. Then another friend suggested bringing up hanging out again. I have not contacted him at all (in fact like I said I deleted his # in order to prevent any stalker type moments lol). I'm going to try the email like you said and see what happens. I'm new to the dating scene (after almost 10 years) so I'm a tad rusty. Thanks again for your advice I'm sure there will be more to come and I'll update you and let you know how/if it works out LOL.

    -A little less Utterly Confused-

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  10. I just play the "girl" role and wait for them to contact me, which usually happens the next day. Just a text saying they had a good time, or just general chit-chat.

    I HATE the 3 day rule. Starting a new "relationship" with games isn't a good sign to me.

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  11. Its just so hard to figure out these things... there are guys and girls who want to go fast and hard and date so much, you might as well be bf/gf. Then there are those (i'm one of them) that barely contacts the other person.

    The thing is, I have no clue when to go fast or slow... or where the medium pace lies.

    I'm going through the dating processes now and its like ugh... all day.

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  12. **UPDATE** so I actually emailed the kid today. I've been SO busy with work this week I just never got around to doing it until this afternoon. He emailed me back about 30 mins ago. I said: hey you. Just realized I hadn't talked to you in awhile, my work has been insane lately! Hope you doing well. Later :)
    He replied: Im doing good back home for a few weeks whats new with u

    So just gonna take it from there, not mention hanging out or anything of the sort and if he wants to then he can.

    Thanks for the advice :)

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